I went up to Boulder. Gregory Corso — and this will sound strange. We have a daughter in common. I’m the daddy. He’s the father. So, with that connection, Allen Ginsberg is the godfather of my daughter, Gregory’s daughter, so I was able, through that contact, to go up and prevail on him to do this, and he seemed open for it. ((Arthur Russell)) So, I went to his apartment. The person that was first there was Stan Brakhage. He and I sat, we talked a little bit. Then Burroughs showed up, and that was interesting, provocative. But when Gregory came into the room, it was like waving a red flag in front of the bull of Burroughs, because he got a great delight out of putting the needle to Gregory in his response.

So, that went on, and then Allen came in. By that time we were talking about why I wanted to have Allen do this. And I was talking about technology, and Allen said at the end of it that, “Well, Godfrey, it’s clear we worship different gods.” Of course, that was provocative, I enjoyed the interaction of an opposite point of view. Now, I can tell you, over the years, more towards the end of Allen’s life, he was frequently over at Philip Glass’ home which used to be my home, when I was in New York away from home, so I got to see Allen any number of times. And I would say that — I don’t want to say he came to another place, because I don’t want to speak to him, but he certainly understood what I was saying more then, than when I had said it originally.